Comments on: Ditto

By: Dinie

Dinie — Thu, 06 Nov 2008 16:24:45 +0000

I see the problem of Catholics voting for Obama as ignorance of Catholics’ of their faith. The bishops just talking out about pro-life just BEFORE an election is obviously not enough. Catholics are not taught their faith properly – it ends in 11th grade. Our Prodestant breathern continue reading the bible, have faith meetings, etc in their churches. They are so much more engaged in their faith due to their stronger leadership. In my parish, there was not a word on the pro-life issues during this election years. The clergy have failed miserably educating their parishners.

By: Chris M

Chris M — Thu, 06 Nov 2008 12:38:28 +0000

#18, even excommunication doesn’t make these folks non-Catholics. It just makes them excommunicated Catholics.

By: Gramps

Gramps — Thu, 06 Nov 2008 03:52:14 +0000

If we wait for these Catholics who supported Obama largely funded by Soros and led by pro choice idiots, we would be better off waiting for hell to freeze over. They will not be visible again until the next election.

By: Roz

Roz — Thu, 06 Nov 2008 03:23:40 +0000

@ Thomas Hart

Oh, don’t tease. I’d like to see the things you propose so much that I’d buy very expensive tickets.

Roz
(Still feisty and probably a bit cranky)

By: Chris

Chris — Thu, 06 Nov 2008 01:32:46 +0000

Nothing i’ve read from Kmiec suggests to me that he will say a thing in opposition of Obama’s championship of FOCA. Indeed, in his open letter to Archbishop Chaput in Public Discourse, Kmiec seems to think that a constitutional amendment is the only recourse for the legal protection of unborn life.

How Kmiec can think such an amendment possible is beyond me. If a majority of the electorate just voted for the most pro-abortion candidate in history, how on earth does Kmiec seriously propose to get a pro-life constitutional amendment through Congress (with a two-thirds majority in each house) and then the legislatures of three fourths of the states?

By: Kozaburo

Kozaburo — Thu, 06 Nov 2008 01:24:45 +0000

To everyone who isn't Catholic, Catholics are responsible for making Obama president. We might claim that the Joe Bidens of the world, and the Nancy Pelosis, are not Catholics, but the American Catholic Bishops won't even say that. And as long as the Catholic Church won't excommunicate its evildoers, we simply can't proclaim the Gospel to those who might be receptive to it.

By: Sr. Lorraine

Sr. Lorraine — Wed, 05 Nov 2008 23:20:41 +0000

The other thing that I find so frustrating about the position of Kmiec and his ilk is the way they identify the “full social Gospel” of the Church with the left-wing platform of the Democratic party. More and more government handouts and bailouts are not the answer to poverty.
After Katrina, I read the story of a young black woman had been on welfare in New Orleans. She was displaced to a northern state. While there, she got some training and got a job and was well off to making a good life for herself. Had she stayed in New Orleans, she probably would have been on the welfare rolls indefinitely. This is not to deny that some government programs can help people. But the deeper question is: do those programs help people get on their own feet, or perpetuate them as wards of the state?

By: Kathleen

Kathleen — Wed, 05 Nov 2008 22:06:24 +0000

Please, Please, I wish people would stop saying that Catholics were helpful in electing Barak Obama as the president of the United States.
To my mind, any person who identifies his or herself hemself as a Catholic, and supports Pro-Choice, Embryonic Stem Cell Research, Gay Marriage or Assisted Suicide has excomminicated themselves from the Catholic Faith. They do not need to have this declaration from a Priest, Bishop, Archbishop or Pope. They have separated themselves from God.

So Catholics did not help to elect Obama.

By: Thomas Hart

Thomas Hart — Wed, 05 Nov 2008 21:24:33 +0000

Maybe the bishops should borrow a leaf from the Obama playbook and buy a half hour infomercial on the major networks. Have one or more of the bishops, a scientist, and a pro-life atheist like Nat Hentoff discussing when human life begins. Show pictures, stills, sonograms of life in the womb. Do the basic catechesis that life begins at conception.

Follow up by making an example of the pro-abortion politicians (Biden, Pelosi, Kennedy) by excommunicating them. Film the ritual and release it to the press.

By: Paul M

Paul M — Wed, 05 Nov 2008 21:12:33 +0000

Kmiec is not stopping, but is being encouraged by the Archdiocese of Los Angeles. According to Cal Catholic Daily he is to give a lecture at St. John's Seminary (the LA seminary) entitled, “Catholics and the 2008 Election: Are We a House Divided?” Excerpt: According to an announcement on the seminary’s web site, Kmiec’s lecture “will be an examination of the prominent role played by the American Catholic community in the 2008 election, from Bishops educating candidates on ensoulment to alternative ways to be pro-life to the selection of running mates.” In addition, said the announcement, Kmiec will discuss “Were Catholics too single-issue to pick wisely on the full social Gospel of the Church?”